Vietnamese secret agents in both Cambodia and Laos

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Subject: Vietnamese secret agents in both Cambodia and Laos
From: (SLK)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.cambodia
Date: Nov 14 2002 03:30:15
Vietnamese secret agents in both Cambodia and Laos 

Firstly, I really hated Sihanouk in the first place when I came to
Australia 20 years ago. But when I start to read Cambodian History
both in Khmer and English. All of sudden, I've got brainstorm, which
tells me that Sihanouk knew all Vietnamese dirty plans against his
fellow countrymen. That's why He and General Lon Nol went to have a
secret talk in Rome before the Coup took place in 1970.

When Lon Nol came back home, he started to do his job as he was told
to drive out Vietnamese secret agents of Cambodia.

And according to US CIA between 1985 and 1987/88, there are 23 out of
25 Laotian leaders who are really Vietnamese who secretly used Laotian
names instead of Vietnamese ones. (Smaradey Khmer, Sydney)

There was a Cambodian man living in France, who sold everything he had
with, went to Cambodia as a taxi driver, but to his surprise, he saw
too many Vietminhs/Vietcong in Cambodia. So he sold his taxi, who went
back to France for his safety. (Smaradey Khmer, Sydney, after Signing
Paris Peace Agreement in 1991.)

Cambodia Matter of survival 
By Martin Wright 
Troops were withdrawn, hardline Thailand and Singapore, on the other
hand, insisted that any political solution must include the withdrawal
of all Vietnamese forces from Cambodia.

Proposals for regional consultations UPT forward in January and June
1981, by the Indochinese countries (Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia) were
rejected by ASEAN. An UN-sponsored international conference on
Cambodia, which was held in New York in Mi-July 1981, adopted a
declaration calling for a ceasefire, the withdrawal of foreign (Ie.
Vietnamese) forces, free elections under UN supervision and the
neutralization of Cambodia. Not surprisingly, the declaration was
rejected both by Vietnam, which had boycotted the conference, and by
the PRK government, which had not been invited.

There was also disagreement over the CGDK’s demands that the
issue of Vietnamese settlers in Cambodia be discussed. The Khmer Rouge
claimed that the Vietnamese Government had settled over 1,000,000 of
its countrymen in, and assertion denied by most independent

The reasons for Vietnam’s decision to withdraw its troops are
complex, and encompass political, economic and military
considerations. In military terms, there appear to have been two
reasons for the decision to withdraw. First, Vietnamese troops had
managed to control the military threat from the Cambodian resistance
forces. The turning point was probably the 1984-85 dry season
offensive, when Vietnamese forces managed to eliminate the
opposition’s camps on the Cambodian side of the Thai-Cambodian

The resistance factions and the Thai military have all expressed
concerns that Vietnamese troops would remain in Cambodia
“disguised” as state of Cambodian soldiers. If they
remained as solely Vietnamese units, it is likely that they would go
undetected for long. However, it is difficult to see what particular
benefits Hanoi would gain if Vietnamese troops were integrated into
the State of Cambodian armed forces unless it was in such large
numbers that, again, detection was highly likely.

Alternatively, Hanoi could keep several highly-mobile forces of
regimental strength hidden in the Cambodian jungle, which could be
called on to come quickly to the resistance of State of Cambodia
forces in areas where they were particularly hard pressed by
resistance forces. But once they came out of hiding, their presence
would quickly be made known to the outside world.

For Hanoi, the difficulty with a partial withdrawal dressed up as
total is that discovery might lose it both the moral advantage and
accompanying political and economic benefits which it hopes for. So
any Vietnamese force left behind in Cambodia would have to make a
significant difference to be worth the risk. Yet the more impact it
made, the more likely its presence would be detected.
The military balance 

In addition, Thailand might not be willing to allow its territory to
be used as a rear area by the Khmer Rouge. The main argument against
such a scenario is that the Soviet Union, which footed much of the
bill for Vietnam’s military presence from 1978 to 1989, would be
unwilling to pay the costs of a renewed excursion. So complete
reintervention would have to be for limited period, and there is
littler the Vietnamese could hope to accomplish in such an operation
that they were not able to achieve in the 10 years of their first

In the long term, Vietnam would also face mounting Khmer nationalist
resentment of Vietnamese military presence in Cambodia. Western and
Southeast Asian countries would like to acquiesce in what would amount
to Vietnamese annexation of Cambodia territory.

The Vietnamese nationals and Vietminh behind the coup 
OCTOBER 3, 1997 
PHRETIKA KHMER was printed in Melbourne in Australia: 

Lt. Gen. Ke Kim Yan, chief of the general staff: born in Battambang
province, Ke Kim Yan has made his way up from the head of district
military force. He speaks some English and Vietnamese. He has a very
strong connection with Chea Sim, CPP president and chairman of the
national assembly. He is pretty moderate. In the past, he turned down
Hun Sen’s orders to prepare a military action against gen.,
Nhiek Bun Chhay and the royalists. It is widely believed he does not
posses much power. For instance, during the negotiation with the Khmer
Rouge, Ke Kim Yan was left out, and also during the coup of July 5-6,
1997, he did not play a major role. Ke Kim Yan is greatly involved in
business deals such as logging contract with the Indonesian military

Lt. Gen. Tea Banh, Co-minister of defence born in Koh Kong province,
Tea Banh joined the communist underground as company commander in the
so-called militia unit of Koh Kong province. He was stationed in Koh
Kong and along the Cambodian-Thai border until sometimes before the
Vietnamese invasion in Cambodia in 1979. He was trained in Hanoi, and
is very fluent in Vietnamese. He is also fluent in Thai and still
maintains a huge house in Bangna, Bangkok. Most of his relatives have
their second houses in Thailand and also hold Thai identification
cards. He was a strong connection with say Phou Thang, the most senior
and powerful figure within the CPP. Say Phou Thang is widely believed
to directly report and receives orders from the Vietnamese communist
party. (I heard Tea Banh who speaks Khmer very bad, was interviewed
with Radio Free Asia early 2002. If some of us-Khmers didn’t
learn to speak Khmer properly, we would not understand what he was
talking about. It’s terrible accent he uses on Radio Free Asia.)

Lt. Gen. Chay Saing Yun, Co-secretary of state widely believed as a
Vietnamese national, Chay Saing Yun rarely appears in public meeting,
especially with the press. He does not want to be questioned about his
background. He is one of the hard-liners and difficult to deal with.
During the so-called aborted coup of July 1994 sin song and prince
Chrapong, Chay Saing Yun fled to Vietnam.

Lt. Gen. Nuon Sok, Co-undersecretary of state, Nuon Sok said he was
sent to Hanoi when he was very young. He went to Vietnam in 1954-55
after Cambodia gained its independence from France. He said he was so
naive at the time but he just followed the group when they were
recruited to be sent to Vietnam. In North Vietnam, he said that the
Khmer children, who were brought there, were placed in Vietnamese
villages to get acquainted with the Vietnamese cultural and life, and
also to learn the Vietnamese language. He was married to a Vietnamese
woman. He said he is very conscious about what the game of
nationalism, if played, must be played by all Cambodian leaders, and
not him alone.

Lt. Gen. Pol Saroeun, Deputy chief of the general staff trained in
Vietnam. Pol Saroeun was chief of general staff before Ke Kim Yan. He
was also governor of Takeo. He has a good connection with Hun Sen. He
talks and reports directly to Hun Sen.

Lt. Gen. Meas Sophea, Deputy chief of the general staff widely
believed as a Vietnamese national, Meas Sophea has a strong connection
Hun Sen. His father was known to be a north Vietnamese (Vietcong)
colonel. He played a major role during the 5-6 July coup.

After the coup, Ke Kim Yan, Pol Saroeun and Meas Sophea were promoted
to become advisers to the royal government of Cambodia and of
dictatorial leader Hun Sen.

In his book (War & Hope, with William Shawcross, 1980), King Sihanouk
gave all clear messages to the world about Vietnamese dirty plans
against Khmers:

P.xxVIII: The Vietnamese, in Saigon as well as Hanoi, proceeded to
slice up the country only Norodom Sihanouk's presence in power had to
had kept intact.

P.99: But giving the Vietnamese a good licking is even better, because
we hate them more than the Americans. President Khieu Samphan himself
gave me the following learned explanation: " We should hate the
Vietnamese much more than the French colonialists or American
imperialists, who could not have swallowed up our country even if they
had wanted to. Of course they more or less colonised us, but they
certainly did not intend to wipe out our Kampuchean race or destroy
our territorial integrity-while the Vietnamese will never rest until
they have completely swallowed up our country. Just look at Kampuchea
Krom [South Vietnam]: what was once Kampuchea territory has now become
an integral part of Vietnam and our unfortunate Khmer Krom compatriots
are bound to lose their Pralung Cheat [national soul], since they have
been forced to give up their kampuchean citizenship... Look at Laos,
too: the Laotian leadership is more Vietnamese than anything, With
Kaysone Phomvihan (Prime Minister) at least half Annamite by birth and
Souphanouvong (President) married to a North Vietnamese passionaria!
The Laotian civil services, public works, economy, are actual headed
and staffed by Vietnamese. That is why we believe it is the
Kampucheans’ sacred duty to hate the Vietnamese more than
anything, to work harder than they do, and to accept all the
sacrifices involved in humbling them for good.

P.107:-In the second place, Hanoi is afraid Norodom Sihanouk might be
restored to power.

P.148-49: But no matter what they say about me, until the day I die I
will keep on believing that the Vietnamese will have no regard for our
national independence and territorial integrity until they have reason
to be grateful to us.

The Lebanese journalist couple I mentioned earlier pointed out to me
that the People's Republic of China had also given Vietnam a great
deal of various kinds of aid during the fight against the Americans,
but that the Vietnamese have repaid their Chinese benefactors with
nothing but ingratitude.

Simon Ross’s clearer message to Khmer children and the world: 

By mid-1976 it was apparent that the “nation” Laos
functioned merely as a province of Vietnam and was totally dominated
by Hanoi.
The Pathet Lao had believed they were fighting to free Laos from
foreign interference (French and American) but now found they had
fought and suffered only to see control of their country pass to
Hanoi. They could now see they had been betrayed. But Hanoi had placed
an occupation army of 40, 000 to quell any Laotian dissent.
“Yes, North Vietnamese liberated us”, said one Lao refugee
in Thailand. “They liberated us of our crops, of our beasts, of
our prettiest girls and even of our country.
Clearly, the same scenario had been planned for Cambodia, but the
frantic nationalism of the Khmer Rouge was blocking Hanoi. Aha! Pol
Pot was completely destroying Hanoi’s schemes on time. (Simon
Ross, Subjugation of Cambodia, 1983)

Quoting from Google-Cambodia: 
Poor Cambodia! In Kampuchea Krom, our brother and sisters were forced
to change their names into: Thach, Son, Kim, Troung etc... And for 200
years all Khmer names were totally forgotten and removed from the
Khmer culture. After 1979 the Yuon who came to invade and occupy
Cambodia by millions have changed their names into a Khmer names and
rule Cambodia ever since.

They have robbed everything, land, government and now culture. They
perform the Royal Ballet on behalf of Khmer and toured America and
performed at the Kennedy Center in Washington DC with the applause of
all Khmer in America. Now they produce DVD, Video and CD with Khmer
music and the Khmer applaud them again. PBS will show Cambodia through
the Yuon again and all Khmer in America will be proud again?

When Mr Sam Rainsy came to America recently, a Hun Sen supporter David
Roberts attacked him calling him a racist saying he must not call a
Yuon, a Yuon. Think well compatriots. 1. Hor nam Hong is a Yuon who is
Foreign Minister for all Khmer. 2. Hok Lundy another Yuon is Head of
Police of all Cambodia 3.Ong Yin Tieng another Yuon who speaks for Hun
Sen 4.Khieu Thavika another Yuon fluent in Khmer and who is doing the
work for Hun Sen. Here at PBS you will be surprised. Open your eyes
and see the reality. What you should do if all Yuon take all
everything from Khmer even in America?

THREE VIETNAMESE disguised as Cambodians: -Sophiline Shapiro
-Chanrithy Him -Prach Ly will be shown on PBS There are 200 000
Cambodian American here in the US. And no Khmer are able to detect
this fraud? And I check at the PBS website: and
what I have found?

The history stops at Pol Pot and there is no word on the Vietnamese
aggression against Cambodia 1979. No word about the Vietnamese
invasion & occupation 1979-1989 that had killed 460 000 innocent
Cambodians. Worse these stories are to be told by the Vietnamese. Eh?
THE STORY Synopsis of "Pol Pot's Shadow" CHRONICLE OF SURVIVAL
Historical Analysis: The U.S. and Cambodia CAMBODIAN-AMERICAN SPEAK
The Rapper, the Dancer, and the Storyteller FACTS AND STATS Learn more
about Cambodia LINKS & RESOURCES Genocide, War Crimes, Politics MAP
Most of the 172,000 people of Cambodian origin now living in the
United States arrived here as refugees, fleeing war, starvation,
forced labor and the mass killings of the Khmer Rouge rule. In
"Cambodian/Americans Speak," three survivors who are forging new
Khmer-American identities speak about their lives, their art and their
struggles to reclaim memory. Sophiline Shapiro keeps the ancient forms
of Cambodian classical dance alive and blends them with dramas that
speak to a people's need for justice. Chanrithy Him writes her own
heart-wrenching accounts of genocide and gives voice to other
adolescent survivors of trauma. Prach Ly jumps into hip-hop -- that
most American of forms -- and raps the story of Cambodia, from the
evacuated streets of Phnom Penh to the freestyle immigrant mix of Long
Beach. Now there are no Khmer to tell their own stories to the PBS?
It's a shame!